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[Percy]

I won't pretend to be surprised...

From The Telegraph

David Cameron to tell voters: no vote on Lisbon Treaty

David Cameron is to tell the British people that a Conservative government will not give them a referendum on the European Union’s Lisbon Treaty.

By James Kirkup, Political Correspondent
Published: 9:30PM GMT 02 Nov 2009

The Tory party leader’s admission, which could come as early as Tuesday, will bring accusations that he has broken clear promises to grant a popular vote on the treaty.

Mr Cameron gave voters an “iron-clad” promise in 2007 that a Conservative government would hold a popular vote on Lisbon.

And, in May this year, he said: "A progressive reform agenda demands that we redistribute power from the EU to Britain and from judges to the people. We will therefore hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty."
But today Mr Cameron gave his clearest signal yet that he will not hold a popular vote on the treaty, which creates the post of EU president and ends more than 50 British vetoes over European policy.

Mr Cameron said that once the document is endorsed by all 27 EU members and comes into force, it will “not be a treaty” and will instead be part of European law.
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No tolerance for intolerance. No apology for being free.

[Tony]

[Philosopher's Stoned]

Same old, same old.

As David Frost said about Ted Heath in the election following Heath's disastrous period of government after March 4th 1974, "Ted Heath the Labour party's Secret Weapon!"

Agree, T: an absolute gift for UKIP and BNP.
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Oh dear! We've swapped BLiar for a Calvanist called Prudence!

[Tony]

That admission just shows how much we are now owned lock, stock and two smoking barrels by the EU.
Owned, that is, by people who couldn't give a flying French fuck about us.
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I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

[GILLIGAN]

And the political elite become ever more disconnected from the people they represent.

They wonder why they are held in low esteem, after this shabby dirty deed can we ever trust a politician again.
If Brown, Cameroon et al told me today was Tuesday, the first thing i would do is check the calendar.
They have lost the plot, and with this volte face lost the people.
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Gordon Brown taxes you for fun........... sing this to the tune Golden Brown by the stranglers

[Philosopher's Stoned]

One day soon, someone must question the multi-layered nonsense of Government and the bureacracy.

Once Lisbon becomes de facto EU law, then the major need for Britain's parliament evaporates.

Further down the trough-swilling agenda, then we now have Regional Government; County Government; and finally Local Government.

However, we also suffer both Wales and Scotland with devolved Government, yet both elect representative MPs who sit in the Commons!

And, on top of this little, lot, we then suffer the endless QUANGOs and NGOs.

All of which are funded wholly or partyly even if indirectly, by Government: and thus our hard won tax monies!

I recently carried out an analysis of Britain and America's Total Government Annual Spend expressed as a percentage of GDP; the results were truly frightening!

Since the immediate Post World War Two era, say 1950 (When Clem Atlee's Labour Government were screwing things up right royally! Sound familiar?) despite having to repay War Debt and reconstruct the country, particularly infrastructure, government spend was microscopic: same with the USA.

So, in truth, what are we actually receiving for our tax monies?

Not a lot!

It must also be remembered, that Western state's GDP zoomed as the global economy accelerated; and since most tax is ad valorem, even if the percentage had stayed the same, the actual net inflow of cash would be far far higher, even after correcting for monetary inflation.


http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_20th_century_chart.html

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html
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Oh dear! We've swapped BLiar for a Calvanist called Prudence!

[Philosopher's Stoned]

Hague this evening has been trying to explain and justify, precisely why Call Me Dave has to now renege on his "Cast Iron" promise...........

Class Act, Dave!


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Oh dear! We've swapped BLiar for a Calvanist called Prudence!

[GILLIGAN]

How many times do we have to be betrayed, treated like children, discarded like trash, before the voter begins to turn on our political elite.
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Gordon Brown taxes you for fun........... sing this to the tune Golden Brown by the stranglers

[Philosopher's Stoned]

Gill:

It's sadly, as long as the majority of the Great Unwashed focus on football, soap operaes, celebs, shopping and banging down greaseburgers etc and with each generation, become evermore ignorant of current affairs and perhaps, more critically, learning.

Try this acid test: ask ten associates at work, acquaintances........

Who is:-

The Current,

Home Secretary:

Foreign Secretary;

Chancellor of the Exchequer;

Deputy PM:

Speaker;

Minister for Education.

Next: capital of Belgium.

Where is Belgium?

Case proven, M'Lud.
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Oh dear! We've swapped BLiar for a Calvanist called Prudence!

[Tony]

[GILLIGAN]

Phill S.
I would agree, most of the public are interested only in themselves and not the country as a whole. I suspect the political elite are aware of this, and thus will continue to treat us like voting fodder.
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Gordon Brown taxes you for fun........... sing this to the tune Golden Brown by the stranglers

[Philosopher's Stoned]

The other pretty conclusive part of the test, Gill, would be also ask the following questions:

Which team one the FA Cup in 2008?

Which team one the last Uefa Cup?

Who won the last series of X Factor?

What is McDonald's Main product?

What TV Soap has Barbara Windsor starred in?

Who is Posh Spice's husband?

And, the difficult one: what does 2 + 2 equal?

Etc.
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Oh dear! We've swapped BLiar for a Calvanist called Prudence!

[Tony]

[Philosopher's Stoned]

I don't know the first three either, T.

Even had to Google to get the concept right!

Only been in Mickey D's once: one of the first in London in 1977.

In defence I was truly desperate for food after an hours long business meeting and an ugent return to the train station!

As for Babs: never liked her; never watched TV soaps and know nought about any of it: however, just caught an item on her whilst flicking through what passes as a paper yesterday!

Again, I just happen to know that the frog-faced ugly tart is named Victoria Beckham and her name seems interchangeably used with her sobriquet: and that she happens to be married to the moronic and mono-syllabic tattoed cretin called Beckham, as she is often in the papers (If one can call 'em that!) that Mrs PS brings back from the City of Sin each evening............

Interestingly, French media is far less celeb-obsessed.

TV is quite interesting: and one prog Mrs PS likes is a sort of variety act with a table out front and streange people from show biz bumping their gums!

But instead of a never ending panoply of pimply youths and under-dressed talentless affro-carribbean chicklets making like whores selling their raffle tickets and strutting their stuff and showing it all of as they writhe and pretend to sing, France seems to hold older celebrities in still high esteem.

No one, for example, could be bigger than the geriatric wreck, "Jhonie 'Olliday!"

Bloody strange.......................
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Oh dear! We've swapped BLiar for a Calvanist called Prudence!

[Tony]