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Jack London- 04-22-2008
Sarkozy: a flop?
Oh well, another one with feet of clay. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/22/france

Tony- 04-22-2008

Just think, if he hadn't married Carla Bruni he probably wouldn't even be getting that high a rating! It's amazing what a nice pair of tits can do for morale!

Percy- 04-22-2008

I'm very disappointed with him - I expected better from what I'd been led to believe by people who knew more about him that I did. Still, it can't have been easy for 'le petit Nicolas' to stay focused while divorcing then courting and marrying the lovely Carla - who seems very distracting indeed... This all came at the wrong time for France. I was going to make some cheap jest about eyes and balls but you'll take the point, I'm sure! So, so far its 'Nil Points' from the Percy jury.

Philosopher's Stoned- 04-23-2008

My right wing French friends who supported him and hoped he would achieve so much are now calling him M. le President Bling Bling! Sums it all up nicely. My new name for him, BTW, is le petit poseur!

Jack London- 04-23-2008

Serves them right!!

Percy- 04-23-2008

I should mention something that really concerns me about Sarkozy. Following Blair's very public entry into the religious arena recently, his friend Sarkozy appears to be thinking along similar lines. As someone who believes in complete separation of church (or mosque) and state I am alarmed by Sarkozy's proposals. From the Brussels Journal Sarkozy and Religion: For the Sake of Islam From the desk of Tiberge on Wed, 2008-04-23 08:42 A new book by Martin Peltier, published by Renaissance Catholique, is briefly summarized at the publisher's website. The very short précis is hardly sufficient to make a judgment, but what struck me was the remark about Nicolas Sarkozy's ulterior motives in his so-called campaign for "positive laïcité", i.e., placing all religions on an equal footing and encouraging equal respect for all of them: By raising the issue of the "Christian roots" of France and of "positive laïcité" in Rome last December 20, 2007, Nicolas Sarkozy made waves. The outrage of the old guard of defenders of laïcité reached the boiling point, and they declared the republican pact to be in danger. The republican pact referred to is the strict separation of Church and State as decreed by the law of 1905. Since being elected, Nicolas Sarkozy has launched a veritable campaign to bring religion back into the public debate and to persuade the population of its importance. But, of course, he had his reasons... However, if we take the time to read the book he wrote in 2004 – The Republic, Religions and Hope – and if we compare it to other statements, we soon perceive that the primary concern of Nicolas Sarkozy is Islam. His only reason for modifying the law of 1905 is to integrate Islam. The State will pay for mosques and the training of imams. The ghettoes will thus be pacified. Beyond this policing effort, the President, indifferent to any revelation, hopes that the three religions of the Book come together to spread their common values on behalf of a humanistic globalization. His God is modernity, his God is the Republic. I have lost track of the number of times I have said here that Sarkozy's only purpose in opening the debate on religion was to prepare the French population for the institutionalization of Islam. Because without the issue of Islam, there was absolutely no reason to talk about, let alone modify, the 1905 law. For better or worse, the French people had long ago adjusted to the law. But he had to force them to re-adjust to a modified law that allowed State funding for mosques. And in order to do this he created a phony debate on the need for all men to recognize the importance of religion (i.e. Islam). Many Christians did not see this and welcomed the new debate, thinking it applied to them. On the other hand, the defenders of laïcité, most of whom are socialists and pro-immigration, became alarmed at the thought that he was shoving religion down their throats, when in fact he was merely justifying the State funding of Islam. Martin Peltier's book, entitled Nicolas Sarkozy, the Republic, and Religions, can be ordered for 15 euros at the Renaissance Catholique website.

Philosopher's Stoned- 04-23-2008

Any major change to France and the French society and the country will go up in flames! Bling Bling is now toast and has little grass roots support. As is so often stated, the French are all for reforms: all provided they don't affect them! They are undivided in their contempt for immigrants and Islam and close ranked about a continuum of the French status quo. Boy! such a stooopid move by Bling Bling and he would be handing the country to Jean Marie Le Pen! People are far from content over heating and road fuel costs, as well as food.

Tony- 04-23-2008

The State will pay for mosques and the training of imams. The ghettoes will thus be pacified. I think that he means they will be magnified! State fund Islam and the state will be swamped by Islam, in the same way that we will be if that mega-mosque ever gets the go-ahead in London. Any updates on that monstrous proposal? It all seems to have gone quiet... which probably means they start work on it next year!

Jack London- 04-25-2008

Sarkozy is grovelling now. A lame duck within a year. Must be a record! http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/25/france

Percy- 04-25-2008

Like Brown over here, he will also be tarnished by the downturn because he's already become unpopular: France's biggest concern is families' inability to make ends meet - pay bills such as food, heating or rent - and their feeble "purchasing power". Sarkozy yesterday pointed to external factors like oil prices, the strong euro and the world financial crisis as explanations for some of the limitations of his economic policy. He was concerned at high prices in France and said he would change France's rules on supermarket competition, but political commentators felt he was less than from convincing on the key issue. I always found it surprising that Thatcher could adopt a scolding matronly tone and get away with announcing painful policies. Not many leaders can get away with it.

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