View Full Version: Mark Steyn: B.C. Human Rights Tribunal hearing

freeexpression >>Anti Free Speech Alerts >>Mark Steyn: B.C. Human Rights Tribunal hearing


<< Prev | Next >>

Percy- 06-04-2008
Mark Steyn: B.C. Human Rights Tribunal hearing
An important hearing is currently taking place in British Columbia, Canada, which has implications for the way that Islam is handled in the West with particular regard to freedom to criticise the religion. The writer Mark Steyn has been hauled up before the Tribunal following complaints by some Muslims about his 2006 article entitled "The Future Belongs to Islam." From The Vancouver Province A freedom we can't surrender Published: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 One of the great freedoms we enjoy in a country like Canada is the right to express our views without being punished by the state. It is not an absolute right. For example, we do not have the right to libel others or incite violence against them. But one of the hallmarks of a healthy democracy is that citizens have the grea-*test*-('") possible latitude to have their say, right or wrong. That is why we view with deep concern the continuing threat to freedom of expression posed by so-called human-rights tribunals in Canada. The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal, for example, now is holding a hearing into complaints made against Maclean's magazine and journalist Mark Steyn about a 2006 article titled "The Future Belongs to Islam." Excerpted from Steyn's book, America Alone, the article discusses what the author believes is the danger to western civilization from the spread of Islam and Islamic terrorism in the western world. Naiyer Habib, the congress's B.C. director, say the article violates a section of the B.C. Human Rights Code. That section bars the publication of anything likely to expose a person or a group to hatred or contempt. And as Province reporter Lora Grindlay noted yesterday, their lawyer told the tribunal the case was about the national media "consistently denigrating Muslim Canadians." However, other Canadians, including Muslim leaders like Tarek Fatah and Farzana Hassan, members of the Muslim Canadian Congress, disagree. In fact, they disagree with both Steyn and Elmasry and Habib. They acknowledge Steyn is right to "raise the alarm against the rise of religious extremism." But they say he is wrong to ignore the fact that "both in Canada and abroad, it is Muslims who have stood up to jihadi goons to defend liberal values." The key point Fatah and Hassan make is that, right or wrong, Steyn has the right in Canada to express his views, even if they are offensive to some. By trying to censor him, they say, the Canadian Islamic Congress only proves him right -- about the threat to western civilization posed by the Muslim world. The way to prove Steyn wrong, in other words, is to defend his right to free expression, not haul him up before some modern-day Star Chamber.

Percy- 06-04-2008

Letter from the same publication: Steyn case puts free speech of every Canadian on trial Letter Published: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal is not only hearing the complaint by B.C. Muslims who consider the 2006 Maclean's article by journalist Mark Steyn exposes them "to hatred or contempt." It is putting the free speech of all Canadians on trial. The contrast with the rights to free speech that Americans have under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution is glaring. Journalist Mark Steyn has every right to point out that Islamic Sharia is at odds with the basic rights and freedoms of western democracies -- for example, through draconian laws on blasphemy and apostasy to restrict freedom of thought, belief and expression. If we do not protect our freedoms from this onslaught, then western culture, as we know it, cannot survive. Instead of knuckling under, we should advise Muslims to harmonize with our freedoms. Jiti Khanna, Vancouver

Percy- 06-04-2008

You can follow the hearing HERE

Tony- 06-04-2008

That section bars the publication of anything likely to expose a person or a group to hatred or contempt. ... so if a Canadian sees anything contemptible happening whilst going about his daily business, or something violent or illegal then he is liable to be hauled in front of this inquisition to explain why he or she reported it. So if you feel like skinning animals alive, or cutting their throats without stunning them, then please go ahead and do so, just have a stack of Human Rights forms already filled out, just needing names, and you can do so with impunity. What a pile of shit!

Tony- 06-04-2008

The key word is "expose" - not commit acts that would be contemptible, just be exposed for it and you become the victim.... oh look! There's Alice and the White Rabbit! Tea anyone? :roll:

Percy- 06-09-2008

Several reports on this hearing today - all of the ones that I've read being quite critical of the system, whether they agreed with Steyn or not. Two samples: The Record.com Free speech held hostage by tribunal June 09, 2008 For five depressing days in a nondescript courtroom in Vancouver last week, one of the most important rights in Canada -- the right to free speech -- was repeatedly kicked in the head. and The Vancouver Sun An assault on free speech in an inappropriate forum Ian Mulgrew, Vancouver Sun Published: Monday, June 09, 2008 The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal has ended its inquisition of Maclean's magazine and accused hate-monger Mark Steyn after a week of international ridicule. The obvious losers in the controversial hearing were the agency and the Canadian Islamic Congress, which accused the Toronto-based publication and the U.S.-based writer of inciting hatred against B.C. Muslims. By pursuing this blatant assault on free speech in such an inappropriate forum, the congress drew far more attention to Steyn's two-year-old article than it deserved or would have received.

Philosopher's Stoned- 06-09-2008

One has to ponder whether if The Satanic verses had been written, now, by say Jack White from Luton, a hitherto undiscovered literary genius, who also happened to be white, would the police provide him with the saturation protection accorded the man who is now Sir Ahmed Salmon Rushdie, who, of of course, happens to also be an apostate Muslim and Indian by birth. And additionally, would Mr White now be incarcerated in the slammer, awaiting trial for inciting racial hate crime? And would Mr White have been similarly honoured by HM? In respective order I fear the answers must be no; Yes: and No. No doubt in the near future, it will be deemed a hate crime for kids in the play ground to poke out their tongues at others and squeal, "Nah, Nah, Nannah Nah!" Presumably, the emotionally injured subject child will, rather than requesting that some compliant Islamic cleric issues a fatwah, simply stick a large knife into their insulter.

Tony- 06-09-2008

No doubt in the near future, it will be deemed a hate crime for kids in the play ground to poke out their tongues at others and squeal, "Nah, Nah, Nannah Nah!" It already is, according to our local twat of a Sergeant PLod who was attempting to encourage people who feel they have been victims of 'hate crime' to report such instances of name calling. Provided they FEEL they are victims that, according to the statement I rejected for the magazine, is sufficient evidence for summary conviction.

Percy- 06-16-2008

As the fallout from this continues, Front Page Magazine reviews the hearing. Free Speech on Trial By Jacob Laksin FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, June 16, 2008 Earlier this month, the columnist Mark Steyn went on trial for being mean. Steyn’s offense was to have published, in the fall of 2006, an excerpt from his book, America Alone, in the Canadian newsweekly Maclean’s. In it, Steyn advanced the provocative but by no means untenable argument that plunging birthrates in Europe would precipitate a demographic decline, forcing Continental countries to reach an “accommodation with their radicalized Islamic compatriots.” Europe’s future, Steyn suggested, “belongs to Islam.” Islamic radicals, one might think, would be heartened by the backhanded vote of confidence. Instead, led by a group called the Canadian Islamic Congress, they elected to take offense. Had they limited their remonstration to an angrily worded letter to the editor or a rebuttal in another magazine, they would have been unobjectionably within their rights. But several of the group’s more aggrieved members decided to press things further. First, they demanded that Maclean’s publish an equal-length rejoinder to Steyn’s article – a crude attempt to dictate content no independent publication would accept. Failing to hijack the magazine’s pages, Steyn’s disgruntled detractors did the next best thing: they took the author and the publication to court. The resulting case brings into bold relief the outsize power that political correctness and its more ardent executors wield in Canada. In the United States, a suit purporting to seek justice for a perceived slight involving nothing more than a difference of opinion would be laughed out the docket. But tolerance for legal frivolity seems to increase above the 49th parallel. A subsection of Canada's Human Rights Act defines hate speech as speech “likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt.” By that impossibly opaque standard, Steyn’s article – or, indeed, any article – could theoretically be considered hate speech. In practice, as well, that has been the case. The Canadian Human Rights Commission, which enforces the act, has a record of conviction that recalls the awful efficiency of Soviet courts: In over three decades of existence, the commission has yet to find someone innocent. Undoubtedly mindful of the fact, the Canadian Islamic Congress turned to the Human Rights Commission to adjudicate its case against Maclean’s. Shopping around for a friendly forum, the group initially took up their complaint with the Ontario Human Rights Commission. They met with partial success. Although the commission declined to hear the CIC’s complaint, it did so on narrowly technical grounds. And, lest anyone doubt what the verdict would have been, the commission issued a censorious ruling effectively finding in the CIC’s favor. Reproaching both Steyn and Maclean’s, the commission wrote that it “strongly condemns the Islamophobic portrayal of Muslims” they had supposedly published. Never mind that neither Steyn not Maclean’s were afforded the opportunity to con-*test*-('") the charges against them. In the commission’s crypto-totalitarian calculus, Steyn’s article had offended someone. Ergo: hate crime. Even more fulsomely accommodating was the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal, the complainants’ next choice of venue. Between June 2 and June 6, the tribunal heard the case against Steyn and Maclean’s. In keeping with historical precedent, one might have expected the “trial” to be farce on a grand scale. According to those in the audience, it was that and more. “You didn’t have to be a lawyer to see how it ridiculous it was,” says Ezra Levant, who attended the tribunal. Levant is no stranger to such proceedings. A former publisher of Canada’s Western Standard magazine, he was hauled before the Alberta Human Rights Commission for publishing the Danish cartoons of the prophet Muhammad. Even so, Levant was shocked by what he saw at the recent hearing. Most striking, Levant said, was the incompetence of the tribunal’s three judges. “You had a room full of professionals – the two top lawyers in the country , journalists, including from the New York Times – presided over by three crackpots,” Levant recalled. “It was a weird juxtaposition between people living in the real world and a kangaroo court with three radical, Marxist clowns.” Just how about was it? Levant noted that on one occasion, the accusers produced blog posts – some from the U.S., some from Belgium, and none written by Steyn – that they submitted as incriminating evidence. It is a commentary on the benthic standards of such tribunals that some of this “evidence” literally had been printed out the day before. “There are so many reasons why that evidence would be inadmissible,” Levant, himself a lawyer, observes. “But the tribunal said, ‘Sure, we’ll look at it.’ None of the judges knew how to run a trial.” If the judges were inept, the prosecution was scarcely more competent. Attempting to prove Steyn’s “Islamophobic” views, the prosecution’s lawyers summoned Andrew Rippin, an expert on Islam and a professor at the University of Victoria in British Columbia. At issue was Steyn’s use of the word “Mohammedan” to describe Muslims. The prosecution charged that this was insulting, possibly even hateful. Only, their star witness disagreed. Professor Rippin pointed out that just as Christians adopted the name of Christ, Muslims in various parts of the world referred to themselves as followers of the prophet Mohammed. “The prosecution was so stupid that their own expert witness made the case for Steyn,” Levant says. Similarly wince-inducing moments were a regular feature of the five-day hearing. All the more so if one happened to be a supporter of free speech. One such moment came when Faisal Joseph, the lawyer for the complainants, accused Steyn of failing to provide alternative points of view in his article. In a trial about hate speech, it was the equivalent of saying that all journalism that didn’t meet Joseph’s specifications was punishable as hate. Equally revealing was a comment from Dean Steacy, an investigator for the Canadian Human Rights Commission. When asked what value he gives to free speech in his investigations, Steacy breezily dismissed the question. “Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value,” he said. With the tribunal thus revealed as a travesty of justice, Steyn and Maclean’s wisely decided to focus their attention on the absurdity of the proceedings. Maclean’s lawyers refused to provide any witnesses. Meanwhile, Steyn said that he would be happy to loose, if only to demonstrate how far the Human Rights Commission had gone in trampling on freedom of speech and the liberty of the press in Canada. As he put it to one interviewer: “We want to lose so we can take it to a real court and if necessary up to the Supreme Court of Canada and we can get the ancient liberties of free-born Canadian citizens that have been taken away from them by tribunals like this.” Supporters applaud that strategy. “Six months ago it would have been unrealistic for any politician to tackle the human rights commission. It would have been like going after apple pie,” says Ezra Levant. “But a year from now, their reputation will be so tarnished that politicians can act. The first step to reform is to publicize its insanity.” In that sense, it may be said that even if Steyn and Maclean’s lose, Canadians have already won.

Percy- 06-19-2008

We can point fingers at human rights commissions or misguided politicians or overzealous activists, but maybe the biggest threat to freedom of expression (and what, in part, motivates all of the above) is the emergence of the notion that everyone and every belief is entitled to "respect" and that part of that entitlement is a freedom to not be offended. Is this notion too firmly entrenched to be rebutted and reexamined? Let's hope not... Thoughtful article on AM 770 CHQR dealing with the false notion of 'respect'.

Tony- 06-19-2008

I take the same view. Give everything and everyone the deserved respect. If respect is NOT deserved then none should be given or shown. Courtesy and respect must not be confused. The only reason that Islam is getting any respect at all is because Islam DEMANDS respect and in 'our' collective wish to be nice to everyone 'we' give it to them. That, in turn, is taken as a sign of weakness and not only is respect demanded but concessions also. We have made a rod for our own backs and now we are getting beaten with it. Islam is a religion for the tribal, unintelligent mentality, it does not merit respect, it merits being restricted to the regions from whence it came.

Forumer™ is Voted #1 Free Forum Hosting provider
Build your own community today with the largest message board hosting company.