The Magna Carta! Tripe? You disappoint me Tony. Anyway, I thought this thread would spark a discussion about the Magna Carta, et al (at least PS made an attempt to discuss it). Even a discussion about the NLP and the way small parties try and raise their profile. Instead, I just get stupid bitterness. Why bother?

Yes, Jack, why bother? Waste of time for the crap that you are promoting, but then you knew that before you posted it. Maybe you were hoping someone would send a donation without checking it up properly first? Two chances Jack, fat and slim, and Slim just left town!

OK, Jack: I'll bite! Perhaps instead of trying to promote the wrong instrument of legislation, it would have been far better to promote something that has to chime with a majority. In terms of marketing and PR, small organisations can gain much greater traction by focus on a Single Issue which resonates with a majority. Thus in this case, with Government running amok and knee jerk reactions such as detaining suspected terrorists for 42 days being rubbished by all and sundry (e.g.) it is high time that citizens were enabled to seize back some of their rights lost since Thatcher started driving the UK backwards in 1979. Promote what was promised by BLiar: A Bill of Rights and at last, a written British Constitution. That would be a start. It is wholly significant to me, how the louche homosexuals and lesbians managed, from a slender beginning, to promote their narrow focus interests some years back, when a majority of these people were scared to "Come Out" and support the various initiatives. Consider where they are now! Effective militancy, combined with careful PR works every time, no matter how small the organisation.

"...jackboots...." What the fook are you on about!

PS I hope that you will be sending an invoice for the advice you have just given... I suggest that a tenner might be appropriate! I doubt they could afford it presently, Tony! And at £10 it's a bargain since I charge upwards of £175/hour these days for fairly simple UK consultancy assignments! Plus travel and per diem. And, of course, an upfront minimum, to avoid the timewasters and the dreamers: and boy! As the UK economy tanks, there's plenty of those! :D

Would anyone give a tenner (never mind £175/hour) for Tony's political advice? He has such an enviable track record, after all!

Hey, at least I know when to bale out of a sinking ship! And I wouldn't dream of offering you any advice, Jack, you know everything already. :roll:

The Magan Carta making the news. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/11/terrorism.constitution

It's a bit of a tangent but this is very true: The trouble is that ministers have failed to make their case for a hypothetical 42 days among the political elite and the Brown-baiting media

Doesn't this smack of a similar desperation to 45 mins to WMD? Nothing much to support it but a PM who needs it to maintain some sort of credibility. Earlier on PMQs Brown was banging on about how the police and MI5 were saying they needed it, Cameron made the point that the prosecution weren't asking for it, but they are probably the most important as they have to approve the case. The security services don't need ANY TIME AT ALL for detention, by the time some plonker has been retained their work has been done. The only people who MIGHT need extra time is PLOD. And we all know why that is. Why do policemen all drive around in pairs? . . . . . Because one is good at letters and the other good at numbers...

Desparation is right and with large numbers of HIS OWN MP's voting against him Brown was reduced to bribing the DUP The 42-day proposal was passed by 315 MPs to 306 - with votes by the nine DUP MPs proving crucial. But there was uproar in the Commons as the result of the key vote on 42 days was announced after five hours of tense debate - with Tory and Lib Dem MPs shouting "You've been bought" at the DUP benches. They claim the DUP was offered a string of inducements - including extra financial help for Northern Ireland - to guarantee its support. Full story HERE

What this demonstrates to me, is simply how totally undemocratic the much vaunted - by politicians, of course! - British system of parliamentary so-called "Democracy" has become. In order to drive through legislation which most citizens and most of those in jurisprudence are against, the PM does deals, on the sly and on the side, over matters which more properly ought to be subject to open parliamentary debate. This has all been about a tosser PM, well past his sell by date, desperately trying to win a vote to show he's "In Charge" and thus retain some vestige of his fast sinking credibility. What a total tip this bloody awful country has become! :roll:

Perhaps the nationalists have a point. The only chance of a new 'Bill of Rights' would be if the Union was to break up and England was independent. This opens up the possibility of a strange alliance - English nationalists & libertarians. Whatever happens it's clear that the current government has turned against the people.