Close, but not quite PS. The vast majority, around 70% are mixed race Spanish and Indian. The rest are pure indigenous, about 10%, 'white', 10% and the balance are a mixture of all sorts.
The majority are known as Hispanics and they are generally the ones who are the immigrants into the US, the illegals being the wetbacks after swimming across the Rio Grande.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~rmccaa/mxpoprev/cambridg3.htm
As you will see with this erudite anthrapological exposition and demographic, whilst obviously some inter-breedings ocurred from the 1500s onwards, the later population are clearly mestiza- mestiza which is why the Indian racial characteristics are predominant.
Which is probably why when I was there working in 1979, all the mundane work was carried out by obviously indian predominate type peons and the pure bred Criollos were really rare. Most of them who succeeded migrated back to Spain which they always considered their true home.
As do many pure Mestiza-Criollos people when they make serious money.
Indeed, I had the pleasure of being entertained one evening to dinner by a very senior retired banker and once amateur Torrero, who was extremely Indian in visage: and his lovely lady wife, who was very obviously very much Criollos.
When he visited my offices in London, the retired banker most kindly presented me with a sombrero, made from pure silver from his mines!
As you do.
My own considerable experience of Andalusia, where the population are the darkest (Moorish racial components) have none of the indiginous "Indian" facial characteristics of the majority of Mexican nationals, nor the skin colour.
In the North and Central Plains of Madrid, the Spaniard is fundamentally Caucasion.
Tony- 11-08-2008
the later population are clearly mestiza
Yes, and Mestizos are of mixed European and Indian ancestry.
Philosopher's Stoned- 11-09-2008
Yes: but as I pointed out, mainly now Mestiza-Mestiza with the Indian genes being dominant.
You only have to look at their bone structure and skin colour.
The administrators and capitalists are indeed, more directly related to their Criollos ancesters, but this has been a matter of preservation of the social elite. Thus Criollos only marry Criollos; that said, as always, some Criollos (Mainly women) have married Mestizas down the years.
The European Criollos stock is really a minority, since many second and third generation Criollos migrated to Spain once they had made their fortunes!
Same with many from other Spanish speaking parts of South America.
And equally interestingly, many Spaniards live and work in Mexico to make their fortune, since they consider it a "Colony!
Despite the reality that it's been an independant Republic since 1821: with the odd invasion and revolution betwixt and between.
If you haven't been, Tony: go. It is a fascinating country.
Tony- 11-09-2008
I go to Mexico every year and have done for some time now. My honeymoon was in Acapulco with a stopover in Mexico City... probably the biggest rubbish dump on the planet.
He has stated he supports:
Abortions on demand:
Gay Marriages and full civil and fiscal rights for married gays:
Gun control:
Amongst others.
And then of course the far right wing NeoCon Christian Fundamentalist movement will be violently opposed and hugely militant: as will members of the NRA.
Philosopher's Stoned- 11-09-2008
I go to Mexico every year and have done for some time now. My honeymoon was in Acapulco with a stopover in Mexico City... probably the biggest rubbish dump on the planet.
I spent a week in Mexico City. Fascinating place.
Tony- 11-09-2008
If you like picking your way through cars stacked up on bricks...
Tony- 11-09-2008
Hitchens mentions Obama's support for abortions, I could be wrong but I think he is also in favour of partial birth abortions.
Obama is pro-choice. He doesn't believe in the state interfering in what should be the woman's decision.
As for "partial birth" that was a term coined by an anti-abortionist to make late-term (18 to 26 weeks) abortions far more emotive. There is no hard and fast definition, even in the US, of when an abortion becomes a "partial birth". It is left to the doctor/midwife to decide whether an abortion is going to be "partial birth" and if it is deemed to be so then the abortionist can face fines and imprisonment. It's a nightmare scenario that is legally unworkable but the "pro-lifers" don't give a shit about anyone other than their own arrogant positions.
Philosopher's Stoned- 11-09-2008
If you like picking your way through cars stacked up on bricks...
All depends where you go, who with and what you do.
Tony- 11-09-2008
Prostitutes, beggars and thieves of course...
We had a a taxi driver who took us to a limited number of places but most of the areas that we drove through were run down, scruffy and not particularly salubrious.
There were some very interesting places and no doubt there were plenty more, but the overwhelming feeling was of being dirty and overcrowded.
Would I go back to Mexico City? No.
The hotel we stayed in right on "Independence Square" was in desperate need of overhaul, the people were surly and unhelpful and left us with the distinct feeling of being unwelcome.
Cancun/Playa del Carmen is too pressured as they all think that tourists are marks with more dollars than braincells. Chichen Itza was a superb place to go to, as was Xcaret, the shows at both places were phenomenal.
Acapulco is absolutely stunning, La Quebrada is a sight to see.
Nuevo Vallarta is beautiful but isolated.
Puerto Vallarta much better and, to date our favourite.
We have a few other places to go to... but all of this has fk all to do with Obama being president.
Jack London- 11-09-2008
Yes John, I read that piece by Hitchens this afternoon at my parents in Sunderland.
Bang on the nail, if you ask me.
Percy- 11-09-2008
And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth?
Strong stuff.
I'll be watching the US with interest.
John- 11-09-2008
Hitchens mentions Obama's support for abortions, I could be wrong but I think he is also in favour of partial birth abortions.
Obama is pro-choice. He doesn't believe in the state interfering in what should be the woman's decision.
As for "partial birth" that was a term coined by an anti-abortionist to make late-term (18 to 26 weeks) abortions far more emotive. There is no hard and fast definition, even in the US, of when an abortion becomes a "partial birth". It is left to the doctor/midwife to decide whether an abortion is going to be "partial birth" and if it is deemed to be so then the abortionist can face fines and imprisonment. It's a nightmare scenario that is legally unworkable but the "pro-lifers" don't give a shit about anyone other than their own arrogant positions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmonuj-bOSk
Interesting.
Tony- 11-09-2008
And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth?
Strong stuff.
I'll be watching the US with interest.
Hitchens is a doom-monger. I don't like him or his attitude. He hasn't got anything to offer, the last hope would be pretty pathetic if it depended on him.
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